Curse

TadaceAce · Aug 16, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Dred Skullord

In PvP, warrior's are probably only good for knock-down builds. Otherwise, they are nearly obsolete. I start laughing when I see warriors carrying their fiery dragon swords or axes.

I agree with the sword part but its funny when someone thinks KD/AS is the only decent warrior build.. Ever heard of this build called a fury axe... does about 5x damage of a KD/AS war and if the person you attack doesn't take off running before you cripple um they are as good as dead (at least in random arena cause at most teams have 2 monks, newb smiters not included, and they usually suck).

bwookie · Aug 16, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

battle rage works best with axe. Gotta give up the axe elites but you can live without them.

war's cunning isn't worth it since you can have more than one attack skill that will penetrate evasion/block skills. Which should be enough to mitigate wards/guardian. Or use wild blow to end stances if that's what you're up against.

War's are very powerful atm. You can drain em of energy and they will still do dmg. They are constant dmg machines.

And once adrenaline is up you can chain spike attacks with one build that can kill almost any opponent in the game by yourself.

Phades · Aug 16, 2005, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

I agree with the sword part but its funny when someone thinks KD/AS is the only decent warrior build.. Ever heard of this build called a fury axe... does about 5x damage of a KD/AS war and if the person you attack doesn't take off running before you cripple um they are as good as dead (at least in random arena cause at most teams have 2 monks, newb smiters not included, and they usually suck).

That is why KD warrriors replace damage only warriors due to the disruption that helps break the multiple monk scenario.

Tigris Of Gaul · Aug 16, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by bwookie

battle rage works best with axe. Gotta give up the axe elites but you can live without them.

No it doesn't. It works best with swords.

bwookie · Aug 16, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59

I disagree I like it better with axe.

You can use it with sword if you like. I use a different elite for swords.

Kassad · Aug 16, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Battle Rage is the only elite warrior skill i like and use, in arena i kill everything in my war, just spam galrath slash and final thrust while with battle rage GG

Tom und Metti · Aug 16, 2005, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Tigris Of Gaul

No it doesn't. It works best with swords.

And i say its crap for both after all, u cant use other skills then attack skill in the time you use it. So you cant remove conditions/Hexes by yourself as long you dont want to lose all ad. Esspeacially for random arena i cant see any point of it.

Topic:

Im a noob. And i say strenght got Strenghts and Weaknesses

Strenghts:

You improof running skills (every Warrior take 1 imho and there are a lot), You do a bit more dmg (also with skills like Power strike, Bull's Strike for Hunt ), You can get your mana back with Warrior's Endurance and Flourish (nice for mana based Warrior), You can use defensiv skills like "I Will Survive" (not bad vs condition spammer after all) Endure Pain//Defy Pain (for very hard situations) Doylak Signet (vs pve emeys not bad and you can use a stance) You got Anti Block Skills/Evade (like Griffon's Sweep/Warrior's Cunning). And Mass Interruption with (hammer only) Dwarven Battle Stance (i love that skill, but they should fix the time up to 20 secs and allowed to use other skills

)

Weakness:
You need to invest att points. UNDERPOWERED

The Point is, that its very speacial sometimes but if you use the skills right then they arent bad and can own.

Golradiar [NOOB] · Aug 16, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Ok, I only have a few things to say; first and most important, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING?

Warriors are by no means underpowered or need adjustment in any way, in my opinion they're the most powerful damage dealing class in the game and I love playing a warrior as well.

Too much experience to make it effective? Isn't that a GOOD thing? By making warriors harder to use well, it truly seperates the newbies from the good players, unlike an air spiker elementalist.

Please don't suggest anything else ridiculous, look at the builds that top 10 ranked guilds use, about 90% include a warrior and many use them as the primary damage dealers.

*Edit* One other thing, sorry to say, but what's the point of using a sword? Axes have better skills and so do more damage, while hammers can chain knockdowns and attacks to disrupt and heavily damage. What can a sword warrior do? The only thing I can think of is that they don't need to use an elite to be truly effective, that on it's own is a nice thing, but if you want a warrior for most situations, axe or hammer is the best.

Zeru · Aug 16, 2005, 11:48 PM // 23:48

With Hammer you use Backbreaker or Devastating Hammer.
With Axe you use Eviscerate or Cleave
With sword you use Battle Rage, Flourish, or something else.

Picking BR over any of the first 4 elites is pretty stupid in most situations.

As for arenas, Hammers reign supreme because they can take monks 1 to 1. They are also most useful in tombs at the moment because of renewal, as axes and swords need buffs to really be good (and when they are buffed they are crazy good).

Btw aftershock is rarely a part of most strong hammer builds.

smurfhunter · Aug 16, 2005, 11:53 PM // 23:53

fyi i farmed the desert outside dunes of despair on my r/n

so you really dont need to be x/mo or mo/x to farm

oh and a smart axe warrior can be quite unfriendly. its not just the hammers that own

and i use shock and aftershock with backbreaker in my kd build. just a personal pref im guessing

fondie · Aug 16, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Touche, I phrased that wrong. After 3 swings, you've done 60% of an extra hit... [DOH]...

After 5 swings, you've landed pretty much an extra strike worth in damage. Doesn't sound like much? What if each of your swings was in the upper 80s in terms of damage? What if you're swinging like a madman under an atk speed stance? ^_^

Weaken armor reduces strength's effectiveness, but you can't deny you're dealing more damage than before.

Agreed and agreed.

Sure, it does make a difference but it's not enough to make it a worthwhile investment unless you're doing it to boost the strength based skills. I'm not really trying to argue either way for warrior rebalancing, but I do think strength is an incredibly expensive way of boosting damage a very small margin.

Compare it to the other primary attributes, a healing monk with 10 in divine favour has +50% more effective orisons, a ranger with 10 exertise has energy costs of most of his skill chopped by 40%, an elementalist with 10 energy storage has 30 more energy to play with. All of these attributes add a HUGE benefit to their class, and in most cases I wouldn't consider a buid that didn't include a decent investment in these attributes, whereas I'll happily build a warrior without giving strength a second thought, and just dumping points in it + a minor rune if I have points left over.

bwookie · Aug 17, 2005, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Zeru

With Hammer you use Backbreaker or Devastating Hammer.
With Axe you use Eviscerate or Cleave
With sword you use Battle Rage, Flourish, or something else.

Picking BR over any of the first 4 elites is pretty stupid in most situations.

As for arenas, Hammers reign supreme because they can take monks 1 to 1. They are also most useful in tombs at the moment because of renewal, as axes and swords need buffs to really be good (and when they are buffed they are crazy good).

Btw aftershock is rarely a part of most strong hammer builds.

I'd try Battle Rage with Axe before you say Eviscerate or Cleave is far and away the better choice.

Aug 17, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Battle Rage is useless, why would you want to waste a skill slot on it if you cant adrenaline spike effectively with it, or use Eviscerate?(one of the hardest hitting attack skills in the game)

Zeru · Aug 17, 2005, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I have.

So what? It still sucks.

Your overall dps sucks. You can't spike. You can't even do a crappy spike. Why aren't you playing an MA ranger instead?

bwookie · Aug 17, 2005, 12:47 AM // 00:47

You can spike with Battle Rage.

Tuna · Aug 17, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57

No, battle rage sucks for everything but sword warriors. The only reason that its good on them is because hundred blades is worse.

Zeru · Aug 17, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

About as well as you can with a non-quickshot ranger. I,e very poorly.

Like I said, if you're playing a BR axe war, you may as well play a MA ranger. You'll be less susceptible to counters, have similar spike capability, and depending on battlefield conditions can probably output similar dps or better due to melee vs range.

If you want to take a real axe warrior, use eviscerate, frenzy, and sprint along with the standard stuff.

bwookie · Aug 17, 2005, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Eh you can say BR sucks but eh I know it works well cause I've done it. And I've done it with eviscerate. Is it a 1v1 monster? no.

BR axe is good depending on what everyone else is carrying. Like most builds.

Sharpsight · Aug 17, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by bwookie

Eh you can say BR sucks but eh I know it works well cause I've done it. And I've done it with eviscerate. Is it a 1v1 monster? no.

BR axe is good depending on what everyone else is carrying. Like most builds.

umm... aren't those both elite? How can you use Evicerate and BR at the same time, dude?

bwookie · Aug 17, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

I'm talking about using them separately.